Here Is Why The PR 1.2 Firmware For The Nokia N900 Is Late
The world has been anxiously waiting for the PR 1.2 firmware for the N900 for what seems like ages now. The release date speculation thread has crossed 4 thousand posts and we have numerous others that keep popping up. It is common knowledge that the code has been frozen for quite some time now, so what then is causing the delay? Does bug fixing and testing really take so much time? Apparently it does, read on for some of the reasons as to why the world’s favorite firmware is delayed.
“The following is the ‘personal opinion’ of Eero Tamminen of Nokia, written in a Maemo.org mailing list.
Q. With a little over a month now on the clock, people can only begin to speculate as to how poor Nokia’s release management is working.
A. Releases are not based on calendar, but on them being ready, based on testing results. (Hm. Is Maemo showing its Debian roots?)
Q. I, as a software developer, realize that unexpected issues can occur causing unexpected delays…
A. I think it’s mainly due to wanting something that doesn’t have any known regressions in any area from the previous release while significantly improving some areas. And this requiring somewhat unexpected amount of iterations.
As one example, when we optified some of the rootfs content to make more space on it (for SSUs), we had to deal with the slowdowns coming from those packages being now on eMMC (which is slower than rootfs especially when the device is swapping). This required quite a lot of iteration on what to optify, SSU issues, policy & memory locking finetuning, otherwise optimizing slow things etc.
- Another example, which some might think funny, is Browser related.
Browser + Flash combination had some crashes which were fixed (because UI restarts engine automatically, user might not even have noticed these except as larger browsing slowdown). However, with the fixes single Browser engine instance could keep up so long that several days of Browsing increased its memory usage a lot. Which then caused performance issues…
Finding that this was one cause for longer term usage slowdowns took quite a while, as did hunting down[2] and fixing these previously unnoticeable memory leak(s). We also wanted to fix all the SGX related issues, but I think one is going to be left after PR1.2 as it’s not reproducible. A lot of other SGX issues that were eventually to some extent reproducible by someone internally, either with specifically crafted test-case or some already existing SW, have been already fixed in internal PR1.2 releases.
While some things are obvious, improvements in some other areas aren’t necessarily directly visible to (all) users, because many of the issues we’ve fixed (use-time, reliability etc), happen only in very specific conditions or use-cases.
Q. Is PR1.2 still going to be released?
A. Definitely.”
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So there you have it, yes the firmware is delayed and no we don’t know when it is coming. All we know is that it is coming for sure. Its good to know what’s happening behind the scenes and this should hopefully help but a few N900 owners to rest.
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I can’t wait and glad that making it bug free first I’d rather wait than have problems. You should check out my new n900 wallpaper site http://j.mp/n900wp
Only to be expected its called quality control and it is quite a compicated process. We want a good upgrade and not one with glitches. As things go though after this one is rolled out we will be waiting for the next one allowing dual maemo and meego boot and then the next upgrade for that and then……..
I really don’t get this mentality of “there’s been nothing in a month, so clearly Nokia has dropped it”. Most phones take months to years before they get an update. Look at the iPhone, their first update was 13 months after shipping. The 4.0 update is coming out years after the initial iPhone launch. Where is this expectation of monthly updates coming from? I for one am happy to have gotten a major update already. If the next one takes another week or seven to be stable, it’s still coming earlier than I would have ever expected it.
thinking about it, not being able to connect to the company exchange server, I am really looking forward to a quick update.
I’m loosing my patience!N900 is a very good phone,but Nokia makes me angry because I’m waiting 2 months for an update,the number of applications on ovi store is like in January.From 2002 I buyed a lot of Nokia phones:3230,1100,7200,7260,7610.6260,n70,n93i,n82,n79,5800 and N900.I can say that this is my last nokia.They makes me angry!
And another one!Digital Chocolate says that roller coaster 3d will be aviable on ovi store in april.Now we are in 7 may and they forget totally this game!About ovi maps i’m very nervous because they don’t offer a completly pack for maps.This is a 600 euros device!Nokia wake up for your fans,not for me because now I like Apple with their simple phones,but very friendly and with a huge number of applications
@Woody—–> Why we are comparing devices such as this (N900) and updates and how they are managed to the iPhone. Their updates are strictly “feature based”. In other words, here’s an update because we didn’t put all of the features that should’ve been put in the last version. Before getting the N900, I was with Blackberry for 4yrs and the OS updates were many and constant which means RIM was concerned with bug fixes and overall speed and continuity of the OS. I will take constant tweaking or a continuous effort to make a better firmware build as opposed to sitting on one’s @ss and coming out once a year with features you didn’t put in the last iteration for what ever reason. I hate Apple and all they stand for….
@Alin—–> They (Apple) are the complete antithesis of what we all enjoy with our open source devices. Feel free to travel in that direction but I guarantee you will not be happy with a Corporation (in this case Apple) telling you what YOU can do or not do with YOUR device.
I’m all for taking the time for quality control, but wouldn’t it go faster if you released a beta firmware? (With all of the necessary warnings/MAC address entry included.) With as many testers on the Extras-Testing/Extras-Devel repositories as we have, I’m sure you would find some people willing to test and code with it. I realize that’s what the SDK is for, but it might be nice to put 1.2 on our phones. All we would need is the option to reflash back to 1.1 without worry.
Unless releasing a beta would create the possibility of devels coding apps for features that get scrapped later… I suppose that could result in fragmentation of the Maemo project; yeah, I can see that being an issue.
Nokia should focusing meamo rather then meego, if meamo can’t deliver well within this few month, how far it can goes to meego too? after meego release then? new product line again?
n900, no new app, no new games, no new theme, no new widget… within this few month. does n900 belong to failure product or just beta product?
I’m very disappointed with Nokia actually…. I wonder why Nokia uses so many money to market the device but investing so little money for the software development. Worse thing is, N900 price is dropping dramatically in Malaysia….
You guys still expect Flash 10?..
“n900, no new app, no new games, no new theme, no new widget… within this few month. does n900 belong to failure product or just beta product?”
Omgomg, no new themes my phone is useless! Cmon.. besides the repositories get new apps all the time.. I check them couple times a week and there is quite often something new to install. Games.. just saw another new emulator.. amiga500! Thats some serious stuff! Anyways cba to play games with phones I rather use my PC for that.
I suppose the app support will be better after 1.2 and when symbian^3 arrives. I’d think that when both have qt 4.6 support those apps made for symbian^3 should also work for maemo in many cases(probably some differences with touch screen).
Anyways, I am also waiting for the new update but it doesn’t bother me much even when it’s not yet available, it’s ready when it’s ready.
I’ve been waiting for Diablo 3 since the announcement in 2008 and it might come in 2011
so I am patient!
definitely testing everyone’s patience.
From the viewpoint of the customer I understand the explanations of Eero.
It can be irritating and lower the confidence in the Nokia brand, but it is understandable.
But as a software developer all this is absolutely incomprehensible.
I am a software developer and I chose the Nokia N900 and maemo to build a vertical solution.
At first I found a development system complicated and difficult to use (Scratchbox, Madde) where I lost a lot of time.
Now finally the beta release of Qt Nokia SDK for mobile devices is out and it seems to offer a good solution for development, but I cannot try my application on the phone because I have to wait for the release of PR 1.2 .
As iPhone developer I am under a tight NDA and I have a lot of restrinctions and limits, but I can already download and use the beta release of the operating system that will come out this summer.
Nokia, please learn from competitors , select a number of developers and allow them under NDA to make applications for the N900.
Sure they need that long time for testing i guess 2 practicants will still working on PR 1.2 and the real Devs are working on Meego.. sadly
if i read anouncments like this i dont wonder anymore..
http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2010/05/harmattan-meego-here-i-come.html
After reading the answers of Eero, it appears that Nokia decided to carry on the testing of PR 1.2 with the kindly collaboration of the lucky? buyers of N900 in Hong Kong… (Nokia launched N900 in Hong Kong with PR 1.2. See the notice in this blog)
The Problem is that there are no proper Informations about the HK PR 1.2 at the Meamo.org Threads. We know it shall be released but nothing more.. maybe anybody knows some HK n900 users?
Nokia has in effect ripped us off, they released a half finished device, which now requires a major update after only a few months out. They’ve sold us a car with no engine. Had they waited 6months or so they could have released a near perfect device. I feel if Nokia don’t get this right it will be the end for them, especially after the disaster that was the N97. It shows me that now Nokia have a little competition they are struggling to compete.
@Courtney Green
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They’ve sold us a car with no engine
Unquote
Are you able to make calls?
If yes your car has an engine!
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Why is everyone expecting updates nowadays? If you buy a car you will never get a software update to get more horsepower even if its only chip tuning.
And unless you drive a Toyota nothing will ever get replaced or renewed.
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I am quite happy with my N900 even though it could be improved in a lot of ways and lags behind the iPhone usability wise.
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Last thing.
Were you forced to buy the N900
Regards
Markus
Is it so hard for nokia to release a fix to each bug as they come than having to wait for months for one package which is really quite inconvenient, for example, the ussd dis functionality was fixed 2 months back but i have to wait another 2 months to get it just because it has to come out on pr 1.2. . . . thats really fucked up, not a even a fully supported p.c. suite for this expensive phone . Why can’t they do it the way like microsoft (release updates as they come) . . . Fuck Nokia, am so disappointed with the way they do things.
i can understand why many people are so disappointed about nokia and the n900 development. Sure nobody was forced to buy it but i feel also tricked by nokia. To take your car example its like you buy a SUV for driveing and they say hmm mainly its not a SUV is only for heavy tracking so at the streets you cant await its comfortable like a car. And the Modells before where only for this. And then when you start to complain why you cant drive at the street somebody comes and says hmmm so i wanted to have a jeep iam very happy why arent you?
its like the N900 Phone Part i bought it as a Phone nice to have that it is a mid but its my Mobile Phone at the Moment. I await if its sold as a Phone that i have all these Features that any damn cheap 50bucks Nokia Symbian 40 Phone have since years. The Next Part is that i did buy this “Phone” becouse the Open Source System Maemo. I remember the articles Nokia drops Symbian and works with Maemo on there highend Devices. Just 2 Months later Maemo is dead for the future and Meego comes, that wouldnt be a Problem but then umm we arent sure if Meego comes for your N900 sorry..
And at this Part i dont talk about the lack of Product Updates sure we have a few funny Apps and Games but look what comes from Nokia and what from the Community. The Problem is if Meego comes out Meamo will lost a lot from there Community iam sure and then the Devs are away and Meamo will die. And if Meego isnt comming out for the N900 the N900 will die too..
im sorry Markus I disagree, it’s been marketed as an internet tablet. if you’re happy with your device then you obviously have different software from the rest of us or you expectations of the devices functionality is very low. Ovi store is terrible. There are only a handful of applications out that are actually useful. The ones that are useful and things that Nokia have omitted from the device but have been present in other devices i.e. profiles, the ability to switch of wifi, no radio (the one we have been given requires bluetooth to be switched on). Inferior battery to that of the N97. I won’t even continue because I’m sure you get the jist and i’d be here all day. The price of this device is decreasing everyday soon, it will only be useful as a door stop. HTC have stormed into the market with some wonderful devices and I predict a good future for them.
Courtney: After reading your post, it’s clear that you bought the wrong device for you. The problems you list like wifi switching and radio can be installed in seconds from the repos for free. This is NOT the phone that has everything ready and waiting for you, it requires lot of tweaking and configuring and playing around. I love it for that, many of you might not.
There’s absolutely nothing wrong with my N900. I’ve visited Ovi-store twice, I see no point in paying for a handful of apps when the repos have hundreds and hundreds of apps for free and more coming every day.
Lasse I have downloaded them, and yes that’s what i’m saying Nokia have duped like they’ve done on many occasions, i.e. with the N97 and N95 but Im stuck now, ive already bought the device so the lease nokia can do is bring out some decent applications.
The applications in the repositories are not the greatest. I’m sure some of you guys actually work for Nokia, because I can’t believe you think this device is acceptable the way it is. Nokia obviously don’t as they scrambling to claw back some of the market they’ve lost due to their below par devices. Don’t get me wrong I’m a Nokia fan through and through and wouldn’t even consider other devices but after a succession of poor devices(N95, N96, N97 flagship device), I may be partial to a change if this one goes wrong. I paid £500 for this devices and it’s definitely not what I expected. Not from Nokia anyway.
As I said, there’s nothing wrong with my N900. I’m not a Nokia fan and I actually was going to buy iPhone before I tried N900…and N900 could do so much more, I bought it for the potential it had and still has.
And what’s wrong with N95, it was a beast when it came out? I agree that N97 is a crapfest.
Nokia should put out some kind of dummy update system witch puts out updates every hour witch does nothing, but this might help people witch wants to update their phone every day.
I have no problems with my n900 and I do not need any update for my phone. PR 1.2 comes when it comes but I have no panic waiting for that.
You guys must have some serious usability issues if this is problem!
How then Nokia released PR1.2 HK version, if so many things still to be fixed? Did they make cmpletely different phone for HK?
what they sold us is false advertising,which they should be punished for. at the end of the they sold us a new car with wobly wheels and fucked up steering, would you have bought it if you knew about these problems beforehand? judging from their latest releases they are going downhill,might aswell jumpship while we can. i say boycott nokia products! and demand someone besides the consumer pays the price for this crap!have you seen the cheap screws on this phone? plus all the bugs,it might as well be made in korea! hold on! it is!
well said, but as programmer… system analysis should playing well before production! the major problem is Nokia SA having a serious problem. within few month come out “Meego”. i don’t see we need meego now, what we need is meamo.
i don’t see apple or microsoft doing such way. unless Nokia knowledge & skill very limited.
if nokia having so much time planning future product like N8/Meego or whatever… nokia market will going down 1 by 1.
apple, android even winmobile moving up… what do nokia have now? meego? or 20% usage of meamo?
What problems are you guys talking about? I’m really interested because I haven’t got any, nor do my friends.
It would be interesting to look at how regular Enterprise distributions work:
- they have Service Packs every year or so.
- in between the SPs there are patches for single bugs or even patches that add drivers/features.
- what a SP is: all these in-between patches put together and tested as a whole
I gave the example with Enterprise distros, because I think that N900 is similar in terms of quality.
What Nokia is doing is releasing only Service Packs with no patches in between. This isn’t very cool as far as the open-source way of doing things goes. No patches in-between means bugs live longer than they should. Also if there were any way for the community to participate in the SP testing, the whining and moaning would be much subsided. Because it would allow people that complain to see that progress is being made and they could even contribute!
However, this is the first Nokia open-source product, you cannot expect them to handle themselves perfectly from the get go. They have proved with Meego that they are on the right path of developing stuff in the open. And, to keep things in perspective, this is not “just a phone”, it’s much more complex. Also they got the most important stuff right, example: best mobile browsing out there.
BTW, I love my N900, I think it was the best device I could get. If I were shopping for one right now, I’d buy the same. And I would buy another one if I dropped it from a tall building. No regrets, there is no better alternative so far.
Thats a load of crap. PR1.2 was already ready for the Hong Kong variant. Now we have to buy a new device from Hong Kong just for PR1.2?
I’m holding out with patience & trust here. After all if Nokia release it full of bugs (minimal development) they get knocked, if they release it bug free (fully developed) they get knocked so either way they cant win.
The N900 as is, is a mighty piece of kit but with pr.2 in mind i’m expecting an mighty impressive bug free major update.
We will see.
To confirm….full of bugs (minimal development) = early release OR bug free (fully developed) = late release.
I also don’t understand why the device was launched in hong kong with pr1.2 if they knew it was not ready yet. And how hong kong gets the device with pr1.2 whereas some of have been using it for almost 3 months and still nothing . . .
What problems are people having that means patience in waiting for PR1.2 firmware is ZERO ??
At this end the device works amazingly well on all fronts in advance of 1.2.
Yes when it arrives i expect it to perform & improve things. Currently however i’ve no big problems be it phone, text msg, pic msg, internet, email, audio/video media, mapping, many applications and general speed & stability.
As in a previous post the N900 is a mighty piece of kit.
i-phone released his update first in 13 months its true but the iphone was also almost perfekt and no missing details !!!
about nokia n900 its my favorite mobile i ever had , but still missing parts its mine opinion , still misses office etc. and if i had more money i would buy those iphone freaks a nokia n900 2
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but nokia has to be clear about updates fixes, and stuff like this ,
where are all those people who conficed me to buy a nokia n900 while there is or come over a 1000 or more apps , programms , and more free stuff while it is Linux ( maemo ) , are you sleeping , wake up and do something .
thank you
‘kamil said: i-phone released his update first in 13 months its true but the iphone was also almost perfekt and no missing details !!!’
DID it not struggle to fwd on text messages in its early days ? In the present day does it have an FM radio transmitter or multitasking capability ? Does it have opensource freedomesque software ?
I for on am happy for the dealy. It’s like getting on an airplane and having the flight delayed for mechanical failure. I would rather arrive in one piece vs issues because the time was taken to fix the plane. Same with PR 1.2. Please take the time to get it right so our devices aren’t bricked and will remain in one piece.
Once PR1.2 is out some will begin moaning they are having to wait for subsequent PR’s. Telling us how the mobile corporations are hindering their oh so important existance.
Sadly many people enjoy moaning at all of lifes corners and the majority of them congregate online. Observing them is an education in human behaviour.
It is not about patience and how much my phone needs that update. It is about me throwing down over $600 bucks in a leap of faith. And what happens? I was treated as 2nd to potential customers, that they deserve the latest update, while the ones who invested don’t. As we see now, clearly they release PR 1.2, it is about paying to be treated as 2nd class customer.
I don’t understand whining.
There’s no another phone/terminal in this category.
Best regards,
Juke
Do you read about the cars before you buy them? In my country Nokia advertised N900 as a mobile computer and not as a mobile phone. So don’t blame it for missing phone features. If you don’t like your N900, yes, you’ve made a mistake. Return it and buy something else.
Can you get root access to you iPhone or what you are standing for? Ok. You don’t want it. But I do need. And ssh, of course. And I want to run my programs on my phone without restrictions beyond normal user rights.
And I like scratchbox development environment. It’s not worse than MS WM SDK. Well, I use Qt, my programs are portable, so I do main part of development in Ubuntu. I have MS Visual Studio 2008, but I use it only for building MS Windows binaries, because I like to write code in EMACS.
So I’m happy with my N900, but the delay with PR1.2 is very bad, because maemo.org was too optimistic about it’s release and have switched SDK to newer version, breaking compatibility with existing devices.
[...] that the code has been frozen for quite some time now, so what then is causing the delay? > Here Is Why The PR 1.2 Firmware For The Nokia N900 Is Late | Maemo Central – The MeeGo Blog [...]
Closed source development is unbarable. I never before realised just how much value there is in having an open process. Proprietary is so crappy on so many levels.
Don’t tell us about moaning . . . we paid a lot of money for this device ! ! ! And we expect some proper quality service from nokia . . .
Duuuuuude!
I’m all for it when it comes to being patient but shine some light on it Nokia! N900 seems mighty powerful but limited at code level, let us know what’s going on at least, we have a fully paid product, that belongs to your company, and it’s partially working. At least that much you can do. This is my first Nokia phone.
@Nick Slobodsky
you so funny man i dont know where are you from but take just a fast look at the NOKIA Homepages no matter for what Country you look you find the N900 under Product – Mobile Phone .. you dont find the 3g Laptop there but you find the N900 there so its a Phone isnt it???
I say we boycott the fuckers!!! string em up by the balls and beat them senseless.
They might have the money to spend on stupid fucking phones but i dont!I want my money back you money grabbing thieves!!!!
Admit that you dont care about the customers or the faulty products that you peddle to the general public.
I paid 530E for this so called computer/phone and its turning out to be worse than any windows pc i ever had!!Full of bugs.
Boycott!!! sue them for false advertising!!!! the fuckers!!!!
Its cleary stated that we would have video calling through skype, and yet when i got my phone over three months ago there was nothing of the sort!!!let alone the other bugs it has!!! boycott the fuckers!!!!
don’t talk to me about not resarching enough and the phone is not for me.
i did not once complained about the phone itself, i knew its not complete. i’m fine, i can handle that.
i didn’t even complain how long the update has delayed. but finding out some other country getting the patch i that i have waited for n paid for with that 600 bucks laid down was the last draw. wtf, clearly right now pr1.2 is out in hongkong. while the potential customers deserve the latest update, mean while me here laid down more than half a grant is fed bullshit that pr1.2 is delayed undefinitely, while my budy in hk is enjoying the update. fu nokia. not only will i trash my n900 immediately, i will never touch nokia again, and i will tell everyone i come across to never trust nokia.
Quite sure, it was my last nokia,
viva android!
N900 is only around for like half a year. iPhone has been around for years. As soon as the N900 app library gets some momentum, developers will start showing interest right? Its only a matter of time if you look at it that way.
Developers stopped showing interest when nokia announced that meego is coming out, so developers just stopped giving a shit.Good way to shoot yourself in the foot fuck faces at nokia!! all i know is that i want my money back, you cheated us out of half a grand for the last time.BOYCOTT NOKIA NOW!!!!!!!!!
Reading these comments makes you feel like some major cataclysm has occured, the future has been irrepairably broken, and there is no point in living anymore.
Then you realise its about 5 or 6 people over and over again.
I’ve never understood people who compulsivly demand updates for a device. You guys are making it sound like its terminally broken. The reality is quite different. The N900 works as a phone, works as a portable internet device, works as a nano-computer. Yes, it could use a few improvements and a few new features, but to claim its broken? Thats just unbelievable. If you REALLY consider this device to be incomplete, then why didnt you return it and get something less complex?
I’m waiting to see what 1.2 brings, and thats just it. I’m waiting. If you feel the need to complain over this, then something is wrong. Not with the device, but with your patience, with your expectations. And hey, the device is open source, right? Go write your own firmware, no-one is stopping you. Make your own improvements, add your own features.
Just stop with the vitriol, alright?
I love my Phone, but the matter of the fact is that Nokia has sold us false advertising, they said we were gonna have skype video calling out of the box and there was nothing of the sort!What ever happened to all those apps that were promised?The devs just stopped developing cos there is no use in it! maemo is changing to meego.thats one! two is that the phone is cheaply made,certainly not worth the 530E i paid for it. i could of got a fairly decent laptop with all sort of video calling on it!and still had money left over to buy groceries!
Would you have accepted this if it was from Ms or apple?
Now i cant even sell if i wanted to cos i would lose at least 200 of the 530E that i paid for if not more!! cos everyone realised that nokia has just abandoned maemo to start this whole meego shit, two months after the n900 was released!! it like buying NEW a car and finding out that the company that made the car is merging with another company and is not going to be making spare parts for your NEW car that you just bought, so you are completley fucked!!
I have no idea how to write updates, if i could i would and fuck nokia , i would release it so everyone could enjoy it!
“Its good to know what’s happening behind the scenes”
YES!
“Its good to know what’s happening behind the scenes”
YES!
“Its good to know what’s happening behind the scenes”
YES!
And that’s the only problem with Nokia working behind the closed doors. and leaving a space for this kind of speculations.
Just keep us informed. That’s really helpful.
Another one thing.
We still don’t know what about Flash 10.1. If I am reading some interviews and somebody from Nokia saying “not planed” That’s really p*** us off. Because this is not we have seen on Adobe conference
presenting N900 as first device running beta version 7 month ago.
i agree with most comments here i got my self into a 24m contract just to get this phone,im a software developer and if i was behaving like nokia and not deliverying i would be sacked simple as that,f i break my contract going to get screwed. the device does not bring basic functionality i would expect from a £30 for example mms. the battery is crap what is the point of having all this fucking wonderful features if u cannot use it or if u use it your battery will go in 30 mins its a joke. i had nokia phones all my life but i think this was my last one. also if they knew the battery was shit why they dint include a car charger instead of forcing me to get one at an extra cost. i used to own a nokia e90 that kicks the shit out of n900 from battery to apps to have the simple fuctionality i was expecting. problem i have is i’m legally binded to phone that is shit for the next 24 months
hmm havent got a single problem with the present firmware, would be nice to have the newest flash though!
Aww fuck it, I give up…you guys seem to have a different N900 than me because there has to be something life threateningly wrong with the current firmware to amount all this fucking whining…
Lasse
What is it that you dont understand? the fact that some people dont have money to waste on a phone like this?i did do my homework before i bought this phone,it stated that it would have skype video calling and thousands of apps to choose from, both of which have no appeared yet!(false advertising maybe?)what they did fail to mention though is all the bugs that it has, or the fact that it was made in korea with cheap materials!now having said that(again!), i bought the phone as a cheap alternative to 3g video calls so i can talk to my customers and for my business.now if you cant do that, and it doesnt have mms and the fact that you cant even have 3g video calls,which in other phones is straight out of the box, plus the phone crashes or slows down only after a couple of days of being operational then what can you have? im not a programmer or developer, so i cant use x-terminal , god knows ive tried but its all chinese to me(no offense to chinese people),which by the way i think have got shafted even worse than us, judging from the reaction of people who installed pr1.2 on their n900 and the amount of bugs it has! ‘they should not have installed it’ you say?’because it was not an official release’ you say?’Because nokia havent perfected it’ you say?and nokia say!!judging from all the press releases.then why have the chinese market got Pr1.2 ready out of the box?Which means to me that nokia have again released a phone into the market with a whole lot of bugs on it, not caring that there might some people who cant afford it but want to buy it, and will come out of this experience, just like some of us, dissappointed and bitter cos we feel that nokia has indeed ripped us off!!BOYCOTT NOKIA!!
November 2010 is the release date!
I believe the image of the article is a tip and next Friday 12th will be in November of 2010.
Wow, you people pretending that this phone has no problems must be living in a dream world.
1. “Open link in new window” menu doesn’t work on many links.
2. Browser is very slow. Pages take a long time to even start loading.
3. Flash 9.4 is only enough for a handful of pages. The majority require Flash 10.
4. Buttons and links are unresponsive. The button or link will become highlighted but nothing happens. The phone has obviously recognized my command yet it does nothing.
5. You must open the Contacts app to edit contacts. There is no way to edit a contact by simply tapping on a ‘contact shortcut’ on the desktop.
6. It’s not possible to set a personalized ringtone for each contact.
7. MMS is largely unsupported. fMMS sorta fills the gap, but rarely works for me. I stopped trying to send picture messages after it didn’t work about 10 times in a row even though 4 or 5 “updates” had been released.
8. The media player has few options. It’s impossible to remove a single song from a playlist. It’s also impossible to change the order of the playlist.
9. Audio shutters quite often with the media player and Pinucci.
10. The wrong album art is sometimes displayed. Sometimes the album art isn’t displayed at all.
11. Sliding between desktops is slow and choppy.
12. The alarm clock only plays approximately 45 seconds of the chosen song.
13. The FM transmitter is underpowered. FM Boost fixes this but must be executed manually every time.
14. Text messages are sometimes not displayed in order. Sometimes texts are missing from the conversation.
15. Application list is inaccessible while installing an application.
16. “Application installed successfully”* message is often unresponsive and takes many clicks to make it go away.
* or whatever the message says
17. App manager has no sorting options other than category and alphanumeric. No sorting by rating, date, size, publisher, repository (other than completely removing the repository from the phone).
18. There’s no way to find out when an app was added to the repository other than catching it with AppWatch (another app with a poorly designed UI).
19. App list must be swiped to navigate – typing a letter does not make the list jump.
20. App lists refresh after nearly every action. HERE’S a thought: it’s pretty likely nothing has changed. Let me look at the 3-minute-old list instead of taking 30 seconds to needlessly refresh.
21. Application updates do not always work. Conflicts should be resolved automatically.
22. OS updates don’t always work. I shouldn’t have to uninstall half the programs I have downloaded just to get the latest firmware.
23. Bluetooth doesn’t work reliably. A2DP connections are spotty and require numerous manual re-attempts to connect in the first place. My N95 would connect automatically every time and hold the connection using the same car stereo. I cannot connect to my computer to do anything other than play music from the player (no file transfers, no keyboard connection, no remotes, nothing). I have been unsuccessful sending files to ANY other phones using Bluetooth.
24. Cannot remove “Call with Skype” option. Something I never use but am forced to look at.
25. Cannot remove the option to sent SMS messages to HOME phone numbers.
26. Skype contact information is merged with contact without a way to edit it out. Thanks for adding the internationally formatted phone number to all my Skype contacts Nokia. I don’t know what I would do without having the my contacts’ phone numbers repeated with the “001″ prefix added.
27. Photos come out exceptionally dark under some conditions. I suspect the luminosity sensor is being confused by the autofocus assist light.
28. Touch screen is unresponsive around the edges. Links and buttons on the top of web pages need to be zoomed before they’re clickable.
29. Switching between landscape and portrait mode is slow. Answering and ending phone calls is delayed if phone is shifted. There is no way to maintain one orientation regardless of keyboard position.
30. USB connections sometimes do not work. Plus there is no MTP mode.
31. Media player library sometimes gets corrupted and needs to be manually restored using Xterm. A process that is needlessly complicated and unintuitive.
32. Last two digits of the device lock code are superfluous. Typing out the first eight digits of a ten digit unlock code is good enough, so is typing the right first eight digits then any two random digits.
33. Adding app shortcuts to the desktops is less convenient than other smart phones.
This isn’t a complete list, but it all I care to write right now. Pretending the phone is perfect as-is is ludicrous.
Even with all these problems I am having trouble deciding if I want to keep my Nexus One or my N900. The N900 has a lot of great features. If Nokia could just get their software act together they would have a real winner on their hands. Perhaps they should just concede that Maemo and Symbian are a waste of resources when Android is a superior operating system and would complement the incredible hardware Nokia produces.
There’s certainly some thick fukkers out there. Bought a phone that doesnt suit them or they are incapable of mastering so come online moaning.
The majority of N900 owners dont complain about their devices. Sadly its the moaning minority that always appear online doing that.
If you dont like the N900 take it back (if you aint bricked it pissing about with it) and feck off to iphoneland with all the other lemmings.
How does an expensive such as the nokia n900 not have ussd support, i mean its a basic gsm feature not even the pr 1.1 had it. Its really sad . . . I really regret buying this phone . . . such false advertising by nokia . . . FUCK I hate them !
Andy
Maybe you can afford to be ripped off by nokia, but there are a lot of people that cant.i havent bricked my phone, i wouldnt even try to go in xterminal if im not 100% sure of what i was doing.But since Nokia is advertising this as a phone(falsely i might add) and not a pc or laptop(go to any nokia website and check it out for your self,its called doing your homework)i can guarantee you that the same thing will happen with the new n8 that will be out later this year, and it happened when the 5800 came out last year, and all the phones out since.so maybe you should go to iphoneland since your so eager to put us all down, and shove
an iphone up your backside you bigot.BOYCOTT NOKIA!!!!!
by the way if you go to maemo.org, there are loads of people not satisfied with the n900!!
There still no portrait orientation, equalizer and good games (like bounce evo.)… And there are still no new firmware…
Maemo, MeGo… What’s next?
I’m not satisfied with todays Nokia policy!
My next phone will be on Android OS!!!
Sorry, but it’s my last nokia…
what we should to is to take nokia to court for false advertising im sure if they had all the bad points we know off on the sales box not many of us would have touched such a device many of us did our home work whoever back then all the crap we know off was not out there. many of us dont have money to throw at shit like this if i pay for something i have some expectatives like having the basics working e.g mms and video calling ovi suite working.
Hope the Nokia people read all this comments!
And about doing the homework before buying this device:
Nokia promised that it should be fully functional with PR 1.1 (what a “hoax”)!
It’s not possible yet to have a repeating calender entry for example…
In which countrys could you get your money back months later?
What Nokia need to do is:
1. Put in a lot of (new) developer resources to complete this product
2. Start communicate with the customers (in a honest way)
3. Make excuses and promise some compensation for the “injury”
I don’t think Nokia is going to do nothing of the above and is going to lose many customers (and devs) to Android and to the fruit camp
What Nokia should have done:
Before they went in to this Meego thing, they should have made the N900 “complete” and functional with the PR 1.1 release as they promised
what do you expect from nazi’s? nokia=nazi’s
if they had it their way they would just steal money right from our pocket!hold on…thats what they are doing! what do you expect from a bunch of freemason ,satan worshiping, nazi’s? satan loves you nokia,for you are it bastard child!
n900 lover. if you have been RIPPED off and the phone aint fit for purpose as bought you will qualify for a refund. If so you and many others should be able to walk away fron the 900 but no, you dont qualify for a refund. you bought ‘the latest gaget’ which is something not for your purpose or IQ so your floating about forums winging like an aerated turd that wont flush away. Your the type of person that buys a two seat rear engined sports car then complains you cant get your wife & kids in it plus luggage.
Whats with the name anyway. ‘N900Lover’ Hastely bought and hastely named, honeymoon over now though it seems.
My N900 does everything it was promoted to do. No problens for me at all. I’ve even loaded it full of applications, widgets from the application manager repositories. In addition its had two firmware updates and still running smoothly & never crashes.
Lots of the faults i see people talking about are just personal preferances. Preferances that we’re never on the phone or marketed by Nokia.
Ekko
This is my first post on any maemo/n900 related website. I have never felt the need to post anything as I’m a satisfied customer.
Just to let you know we exist.
-D.
Another satisfied customer from the majority too. We just dont spend our days complaining online like the unsatisfied minorty that end up sounding lke the majority.
Good to see the moners & complainers have landed here just like they have on every other single other Maemo/N900 related website.
As always most blindly bought the device with assumed capabilities & user interface in mind. Many have their own personal customisation desires beyond anything Nokia ever spelt out but for some reason thats Nokia’s fault.
The N9 is an amazing device in its own right. If you struggle to use & master it then it suggests you bought the wrong thing. A bit like someone needing a basic calculator but buying a scientific one. They’re going to struggle, get confused and upset themselves.
Would you buy a Shed or a Greenhouse i you wanted to grow tomatoes ?
So what your saying is that Nokia didnt promise Skype video calling and thousands of apps at our disposal?That they didnt ditch maemo for meego right after the release of the nokia n900?
I knew exactly what i was getting into when i bought the ‘phone’ because i did my homework before buying, but like i said before, nokia advertised falsely! its been 4 months since i had the phone and still no skype video calling and a really shitty ovi store, no games,unless you wanna install some shitty emulators.
i apologise for not knowing how to use linux,i was just too busy trying to live my life than sitting in my mums basement with no sex life trying to learn xterminal, but after all,android is linux and they have 3g video calling and a million more apps than ovi store.and you dont even have to know how to use xterminal…..
you must stop to compare the iPhone with the N900: a good strategy
is not made by comparing it to others, but by optimizing. It
not because there was no mms on the iphone that Nokia must
same.
This is not because there are few updates on the iphone that can
pleased with the updates of Nokia. Updates to the N900 did not
enough to make a correct level.
This is not because the phone is a “Linuxphone” everyone
knows how to program it: we’re not all geeks.
So, I know there are fans of Nokia, but also that there
Members of nokia who reply to messages.
I said something that everybody knows, we have been mistaken for
“Betatesters” in order to prepare the next generation.
But Meego is not for tomorrow, maybe not on the N900
Hello to everybody…
I would like to share some feelings as a N900 user…I don’t have the time to list all the thinks that doesn’t work because it is very long.
I bought this phone/tablet for its huge potential and openess but I’m a little upset on how Nokia is doing with Maemo/meego…they should have put more money on the developing of real good apps and fix more speedy the several bugs of the OS.
I still can’t use the N900 as primary phone because the Mail for Exchange sync doesn’t work well with our Exchange 2003 server. The fix for the recurring calendar events that make the sync crash probably won’t be included in the PR 1.2 (only in a future update) and so, even after more than 5 months since I bought the device I still can’t use it as my primary phone but only to surf a little the web.
Moreover, for the people that say…that it is an internet tablet and not a business phone, I would like to point out that, apart the web browser that is quite good (but I hope Flah 10 will be implemented), the mail client is really horrible and too basic (“Modest” name is quite appropriate) and also Calendar and all the professional apps are really too limited…there is no good local search function, Maps very basic etc etc.
The strange thing is that N900 is much better a multimedia device than a business device that an internet tablet should be ! The video and audio part is not bad since it plays almost everything without need to convert the file format.
Well…I stop here…also because I learnt that it is quite useless to spend time to post on forum critics because Nokia seems that doesn’t care much…
I just say to the people that remember how it takes for Iphone to have some features (MMS that I don’t care anyway etc) that the competition is always much harder as time pass and Nokia will have to face not only Iphone success but also Android , RIM, BAda etc etc that start with the basic features of their devices much more complete and refined.
Greets from Italy,
SkyEagle
N900lover. As said if they ripped you of then you have grounds for a refund !!! The you can toddle off in the direction of Android. Something tells me yu prefer to keep hold of the evice, not seek a refund and function like the aerated turd mentioned before.
The very people you mock for apparently sitting in basements are ???? Those very developers that give you the fcuking functionalities your winging about. Think before you buy and think before you type if your capable of either.
Those very people are currently developing PR1.2. As for Meego thats something else again beyond PR1.2. Aka a future parallel OS, an evolution beyond Maemo.
Where did you get your information that Maemo has been ditched in favour of Meego? Somewhere official or just omething that came out’ve a tantrum of impatience.
Now stop talking b’llox & toddle off for your refund.
Hirudin, it seems I’ve been lucky with my N900; the bluetooth issue has been the biggest problem for me. No flash 10 is annoying, but I’ll live. Maybe the biggest difference is that I didn’t see a single advert for the phone; I tried it and liked it. If indeed Nokia has promised everything and delivered a lot less, N900 lovers reaction is understandable.
Did you guys take the survey? http://maemo.nokia.com/survey/
Maybe they’ll ignore that too.
Andy
You just seem to like to argue for the sake of arguing, and try to put people down, people who are new to maemo.You still didnt answer my question.are you saying that nokia didnt promise skype videocalling out of the box?or the thousands of apps?
And if nokia still hasnt released pr1.2 then why is the n900 sold in china with pr1,2 out of the box?does this mean that pr1.2 is full of bugs?does this mean pr1.2 is ready and that nokia just cant be bothered to release it? if you could answer these questions before you make the assumption that i dont know anything about phones or computers, then i will be grateful.otherwise i will just assume that you are projecting(if you know what that means)…its a psycological term, it means that what you hate in other people is what you hate in yourself but just dont want to admit it!.
By the way i live in a country where nokia has no “care” centers, so i cant take my phone back for a refund, and there are other people out there who have commited to a 12 or 24 month contract and cant take their phone back.since you speak on behalf of nokia and are so quick to defend them, maybe YOU should refund our money.
Wow, there’s some vocal dissatisfied customers here, all 3 of them more or less.
N900 lover: From Nokia’s N900 product page: “Video calling: availability will be announced later” Maybe they changed that after launch or after you bought the phone?
Hirudin: Impressive list, fortunately most of the “bugs” don’t affect most of the customers and are more or less opinions how something should work. Nokia made it very clear there’s no MMS to begin with and official support may or may not happen. And it’s not happening, 3rd party MMS is, complain to 3rd party.
Also the whole MeeGo/Maemo thing. You are disappointed because Maemo has been abandoned? The first MeeGo version could as well be named Maemo 6 anyway. You can run all the old programs and bunch of new ones so what are you actually complaining?
Some lucky ones got 1.2 in Hong Kong, why is that somehow making you miserable, I bet you complain also because Nokia doesn’t give you free navigation for your 5 year old Symbian handset.
Maybe I’m just able to read past the normal marketing talk, but for me it has alwys been very clear that N900 isn’t an average smartphone for average Joe, you don’t even have to be that marketing BS literate to understand that.
N900lover.
Check this.
http://maemo.nokia.com/features/phone/
Free Skype-to-Skype callsMake free* Skype-to-Skype calls, and call phones abroad at great rates. Staying in touch with your friends and family with Skype is easy.
*Data charges may apply
Skype ‘Video’ Calls ?????? Feel free to read the rest of the Nokia webpages fo the 900 and explain where it fails the marketing. Moaning aside if you botherd to do some online reading you will find that some people are video calling via Google Talk. So based on that Nokia have given something they forgot to mention in their marketing in fact.
You and many others have you own personalisations, customisations, wants, wishes, expectations in your minds that dont come with the phone as standard. Some are wanting PR1.2 now, Meego now and no doubt your assuming they will bring the personalisations, customisations, wants, wishes, expectations. When you discover they dont bring all you want you’ll no doubt be back here moaning about Nokia and their delay in released PR1.3 or Meego v2.
As a ‘phone user’ it’s clear the 900 is not for you but call yourself N900lover and do noting but winge about the device. You kept it throught your trial period, never returned it even though if fell short of your expectations. Your even saying it was marketed wrong and Nokia should give you your monies back.
Also dont try to palm me off with you have no Nokia support in your country or psycological b’llox, you are what you is. If you really wanted to return the phone and had a case to return it outside the trial period then you could do so via the same supply chain you obtaind it from in the first place.
glad we’re stuck here in irrelevancy while half the devs chase corner cases and the other half move into their nice meego offices
The mean important reason why nokia not relased pr1.2 you forge it to mentioned i think it’s the the i phone new firmwear 4.0 and apple new i phone it’s coming out soon with a features nokia can’t even handl it with the new n8. guys you hsve to know this a war nokia n 900 & n8 with the new symbin 3^
vs apple i phone & i pad
Nokia = fail. and this reflected in their profits over the last couple of years. I can’t see why Nokia are bringing out the N8, it (my opinion) doesn’t seem any better than the N95 bar a few added features and a better camera. The symbian software looks so outdated yet Nokia still in sist on using it.
As for my N900, I expected to be using apps/games galore. Sadly all I get is apps from the repositories that look like some dude made them in his bedroom or we just get features that could have been included in the design process so they are integrated with the phone, not stand alone apps.
People are disappointed with the N900, but it think we feel more let down that Nokia haven’t communicated better especially as some of us have spent 500 euros on this device.
Come on Nokia fix up.
Fix what up?
So far we have a list of rare bugs and problems with third party software. You want to play games? Buy a PSP.
And comparing N8 with N95, come on…
If the N900 would be cheap “nice to have” device @ Nokia it wouldn’t be a problem for me.
But remember:
It was announced as the new flagship of Nokia.
And it was not a cheap phone to buy for all of us.
In reality it’s treated like a unloved stepchild since they are messing around since months with PR 1.2 which was announced too early, the genuine Nokia apps like the Ovi maps and Ovi store are not implemented properly, standard phone functions like working with contact groups or USSD codes are not usable, screen rotation is still not implemented and since half a year the apps store for the N900 is still as thrilling as a communist supermarket.
It’s an overall picture:
Summarized Nokia has under the line degraded this up-and-coming piece to a poor niche product which meanwhile is additionally lampooned by the competitors and frustrating the motivated OpenSource minded consumers.
And please don’t respond that it’s the fault of the community…
nokia: just two words: “incremental updates”.
give us what’s working now, deliver the rest later.
Of course you can because it will not live up to it’s hype. I’m still angry that the N97(another of Nokia’s flagship phones went down the pan, with an admission from Nokia that it wasn’t what they expected. All of Nokia’s big phones have been a load of rubbish. I’m a big Nokia fan I would just appreciate a little more communication and honesty. I mean I took a gamble buying this phone after the disaster that was the N97/N96. But I still believe Nokia are a great phone manufacturer
All of you guys out there that are saying you are completely satisfied with the device must think deep down that Nokia shipped a half finished device. Ovi maps is awful, the camera is featureless to name a few.
All I would like to know is when were going to get the rest of the phone.
only to get some changes i sended a mail of all our problems listed over here , i hope theiy here us
Pues yo decir que he tenido n70,n73,n80,n81,n86,n86,n95,n96,n97,n900, y my confianza en nokia a desaparecido por completo, tomadura de pelo en n96 y n97, y va por el mismo camino con el n900, no hay apenas aplicaciones comparadas con otros SO, y lo publicavan como un super telefono que seria la caña,Nokia nos utiliza para sus experimentos, y cuando ve que no puede seguir con ello(n900) nos deja con la miel en los lavios.
N900 has been sold by Nokia as a superpowerful phone and that’s not a fair policy. It’s a ‘half made’ phone with lots of bugs and inexistent support. Shame on you Nokia. Only just for surfing it’s good. I will try to be far from Nokia for many years. Now my N900 will be replaced by a HTC Desire of something like this.
We’ve been screwed. For me the biggest drawback is the poor battery life. This can’t be fixed with software updates. If I put the calendar widget on the desktop the battery dies in 2-3 days without doing anything else. Do one of the following action, but not in the the same time: browse the web, listen music, watch videos, use the FM transmitter OR use TV out and the phone dies in a few hours. My 7 years old phone has a better battery life… and don’t tell me that it doesn’t have so many features as N900, because I didn’t pay a ton of money for N900 just to use it as a phone.
The software is still crappy after a few firmware updates. No 4 in Hirudin’s list is the most annoying.
I doubt that one third of the defects presented by Hirudin (awesome list) will be fixed in PR1.2. Somebody from Nokia wrote on the forum that most of the developers are already working for MeeGo.
The reason for releasing so many updates is because they didn’t finished the software for this phone and this isn’t a reason to be happy. Apple didn’t release so many updates because the software on their phones was/is in better shape than what it is now on N900. I’m not an Apple fanboy and I don’t intend to buy and Iphone.
This is my first phone from Nokia and probably the last. I didn’t expected that Nokia could release devices with software in pre-alpha state – my phone didn’t even boot when I bought it.
I’m thinking to sell it while it’s still worth something and I hope to recover some of the money.
Seems to be lots on moaners about. Every person i know with an N900 loves it. How come so many moaners on one place ? The iphone brigade doing their shit invading other websites with false reviews & complaints ?
Sooom ova youa peopol cannoto work those phonos ploperly. Mya ElNinio performa greato all tha timorezio. Mi thinkka thatta some lak intelligencia an boughto wrongo phono.
Tag
@ Lois:
iPhone people are iUsers:
They are iHappy with every iApp they find.
They love to spend there iMoney for iSteve.
They have no iIdea about any iNeeds or iRequirements of their iDevices.
They trust in Apple’s iGod to fulfill iDreams they never could dreamed on their own.
They have iRespect for iPapa and don’t talk back.
The Linux users are different.
If you try to tell them the sky is green they will respond that it is blue. And they know how it should work properly. And when many people are blowing a whistle you can soon watch a noisy storm.
guys did you hared the news nokia sue apple again this time cause of i pad haaahhaahaa i think nokia this day dont know what to do thats why i say thanks to apple to make nokia think 1000 times befor making a phone every day like n8 the latest one ……. i dont know why nokia they made this to compet with who? in the same time they have the most advintage phone the no2 after iphone n900 they don’t give a f……….. about it. nokia wake up pls ya o forget to tell guys apple made the new iphone with 5mp camera and it’s hhd with flash with screen i don’t know how many colors but i think it’s not like other phone somthing what can say wowwwwww.
Awesome! Yes, the N900 has many vicious bugs, especially browser slowness, sounds like they’re taking them seriously.
That said, I’m an extremely happy N900 user, the only mission critical features I miss daily are integrated printing via cups and ghostscript, and iSync support for Mac OS X, well also rotation looks fun.
Also, If you’ve never used an N900, then you’ve never experienced truly integrated contact management across desperate protocols, but Nokia simply hasn’t delivered even minimally intelligent behavior in their contact applications. If I add a contact, but that contact exists, then you should merge the contacts, yes name isn’t a unique identifier, but maybe both contact already share the same phone or email? Similarly, you should always add gtalk, msn, etc. contact wherever their email already appears, not require manual merging. You know, my N900 already offers vastly more powerful contact management than Mac OS X’s AddressBook, thanks largely to skype integration and hermes, but the N900′s contacts make soo many stupid blunders.
If your a slave modern advertising, marketing then the iLemming is for you. Not really into makin your own decisions in life but rather be guided and dictated, controlled and enjoy Jobby up your ring. Do you buy everything everyone else around you buys just so you fit in, then the yes iLemming is for you.
If you aint a slave, have an ounce of intellect, a pound of thought, the ability to lateral think or an above average IQ then the iLemming aint for you. If you can speak your own mind, evaluate & draw your own opinion and dont wonder if you fit for not being the same then iLemming aint for you.
Any chance of something in English please Geoff. A nice combo of words but the sentences are buffed up with words they have no point or meaning.
Jeff said:
Awesome! Yes, the N900 has many vicious bugs, especially browser slowness, sounds like they’re taking them seriously. That said, I’m an extremely happy N900 user, the only mission critical features I miss daily are integrated printing via cups and ghostscript, and iSync support for Mac OS X, well also rotation looks fun.
Also, If you’ve never used an N900, then you’ve never experienced truly integrated contact management across desperate protocols, but Nokia simply hasn’t delivered even minimally intelligent behavior in their contact applications. If I add a contact, but that contact exists, then you should merge the contacts, yes name isn’t a unique identifier, but maybe both contact already share the same phone or email? Similarly, you should always add gtalk, msn, etc. contact wherever their email already appears, not require manual merging. You know, my N900 already offers vastly more powerful contact management than Mac OS X’s AddressBook, thanks largely to skype integration and hermes, but the N900’s contacts make soo many stupid blunders.
Itention pls. for all n900 owners i’m one of them handle the n900 to apple to make apps fofr it and i think they will change the name to i900 phone. This the only way to make the n900 better. shame of u nokia sorry guys
n900 has good potential, but it use only a 25%
i’m tipically satisfied when i’m using all potential of my device, this isn’t the case.
I just feel that i have invested money for a long term project and we are only at beginning
You sure about this cause i’m not sure i know nokia at the end they will make it but with with no point of use like OVI store unsefull apps. I wish if they can made a new store better than this dum store.
n8 it’s out for 700$ still symbin but it’s 3^ can’t belive that n900 still no apps no update yet and they are making a new phone. belive that yap this nokia
Any news about PR1.2 guys
By the end of next week is my guess. By the end of the month for sure.
that’s what they said last month. And the month before.
Vaibhav
‘By the end of next week is my guess. By the end of the month for sure.
‘
Is this from a good source or just ambitious guesswork ?
go get mature – Nokia had been (almost) crucified by press and bloggers recently for N-series (S60) problems with quality, so it can’t afford to drop quality under bus in important release just because one or few young person can’t wait and rocks boat in anticipation. if you want to try not-actually-finalized PR1.2 – join Nokia and try to roll out it earlier — talk is cheap.
The network providers have contracted these N900 pocket super computers onto too many inept knoobheads that need nothing more than a phone.
What ever they get is they’ll shout it could be better. Thats how a big chunk of modern society are. Winge winge winge about anything they see fit in life.
I have the n900..love it! only thing that frustrates me at times is when I’m using the phone and another call is coming, to switch to it and switch back to the first call is kind of annoying, esp when you’re driving or doing something. I want to be able to use the front camera and also be able to send files/images etc to contacts im chatting with.
So I’m def waiting patiently for the bug-free pr 1.2. I hope it comes out soon.
The N8 looks hotttt! if it came with an actual slide out keyboard i’d consider it. But hoenstly, I think I’m too spoiled with maemo now and going back to symbian just won’t do it for me anymore.
Ok, it´s a great phone, but why take so log to release the PR 1.2?
It´s very, very annoying. I hope I don´t regret to bought this phone.
Nokia = fail ??
:/
I was waiting for it for so long that i forgot about it until i read here .I think its because nokia doesnt give 2 Sh..s . there probably in the making of maemo 6 and putting all efforts into that, and with the new phone that will eventualy come out
the only way to know when the next official firmware (1.2 or above) will be released in the west is no doubt to ask nokia yourself, perhaps via an official forum. the reason that its not out “due to major testing” is pretty debatable-especially if its true that the n900 has already been released with the 1.2 firmware in Hong Kong. unless theyre planning to use nokia fans over there as some sort of testing ground-unlikely! lol
N900 is the best phone, which phone has HD screen, multitask, azerty keyboard, TV out, reads flash on web, has camera flash, free turn by turn navigation… all what the iphone does not have! oh yes, the i phone next generation will have what I wrote, but then the N8 will have 2 and a half more pixels, HDMI, dolby surround, aluminium casing…
Clearly Nokia = best phones.
If the previous PR’s didnt work or rendered themselves or the phone usless then yes complain away. However complaining for the sake of it puzzles me. Once 1.2 is out are you going to complain and ask where 1.3 is ?? Probably yes so Nokia cannot win with some of its shallow customers.
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